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THE VERTICAL PLANE
The Dodleston Messages
In 2019 Gary Rowe came to Swansea Ufo Network and gave us a talk on North Wales cases, while he was here he told us of a case he investigated in 1985 called The Vertical Plane, he gave us a brief account and he then left for North Wales where he lives.
3 months later the Synchronicities started
Emlyn and Mike made a visit to North Wales to meet up with a friend and then meet a witness about his sightings near Trifrew. We camped overnight on the top of Moel Famau with a friend we met from Buckley, while we were there he mentioned he had a strange event when he noticed marks on his back while having a shower, those marks were the numbers 2109.
We weren`t planning on meeting up with Gary but as we weren`t far from Gary we called Gary so Gary could hear the account..
After our trip to North Wales we started to get quite a lot of emails and messages asking about Gary Rowe as wanted to talk to him about The Vertical Plane. We`d arranged for Gary to come and give us a talk all about it but Covid came along in which we couldn`t have meetings for about 16/18 months. meanwhile emails and messages still came.
Our meetings started back but sadly Gary had some health issues and couldn`t attend our meetings, so we arranged with Gary to go and interview him in North Wales.
Gary talked about his part in the investigation which started about a year after events started at Meadow Cottage, how he got involved and some other bits and pieces. After filming Gary, mentioned he was in the new revised edition of the book, so we had a look and found out there was an image of Gary from our 1st interview with Gary in North Wales, the image was credited to Swansea Ufo Network.
That took us back a little as we`ve had so many synchronicities, chance meetings, other small signs that have been pointing us in the directon of Dodleston and The Vertical Plane since 2019,
The month after interviewing Gary had been pretty hectic when it comes to synchronicities, chance meetings and all sort of weird happenings, is it a bit of coincidence that since 2019 we`ve been on a journey involving 2109 as it`s been following us round ever since, it`s as if we are being pulled into it for some reason.
The really odd part was every search made nothing would show regarding TVP untill it reached a climax
It escalated to a point I found myself researching it with a very good group of people, the synchronicities got faster and faster till they got to 10 seconds ending in one second.
We`ll briefly go through some of the events and then concentrate on the research
There's far more information and context in the book, so it's worth buying a copy.
The events started in late autumn 1984 while Ken Webster and Debbie Oakes were refurbishing Meadow Cottage, their friend Nicola Bagguley came to stay, there was plenty of painting being done.
It started off with small footprints on a wall
Nic noticed so marks on the wall between the bathroom and the kitchen, they had appeared in late August or September 1984. The morning after the footprints were painted over, later on Ken noticed the footprints had returned.
They were not exactly in the same position so it was not possible that they were the old ones come through.
They were new, six-toed and made up of dust from the floor.
A couple of days after coming home with shopping , some stuff was left out overnight including a few catfood tins, in the morning around 8am Ken noticed the catfood tins had been placed in a pyramid shape, on the top 3 more tins were placed on top of each other.
The next night/morning another stacking was found, his time a single column approximately four feet high made up of a couple of two-litre bottles of lemonade, a packet of dry catfood and a kitchen roll.
One night Nic thought she saw a dense shadow pass her window above the kitchen. Deb and Ken also woke up at the same time as they thought someone was in the room.
Hawarden High School, where Ken taught, had over a dozen simple but useful BBC microcomputers, some had the word processing chip EDWORD.
The BBC Micro was made by Acorn
Ken decided to book a computer, disc drive, screen monitor and a floppy disc to bring back to the cottage.
A Sunday evening in December, when Ken came back The computer was still on, nobody had remembered to see to it. The screen no longer showed the EDWORD menu but the basic screen message: BBC B 32K Acorn DFS Nic must have pressed the BREAK key by mistake so I had to get back into EDWORD. I idly called up the index to see what she’d been doing. I had a mind to read one of her sketches.
There appeared to be a new file named KDN. Nic’s work was under single letter file names, e.g., D or O. The only other material on the disc was a colleague’s timetabling outlines, as it was a borrowed disk. I called file KDN up, the disc drive hummed and clicked.
Ken D eb nIc True A re The NIGHTmares Of a pErson t hat FEArs
Safe A re the BODIES Of tHe Silent World
Turn Pr ettY FLowER tuRn TOWARDS The SUN
For Yo u S Hall Grow aNd SOW
But T he FLOWer Reaches tOo hIgh and witHERS in
The B urning Light
G E T OU T YO U R B R ICKs
PuSsy Cat PUSSy Cat Went TO LonDOn TO Seek Fame aNd FORTUNE
Faith Must NOT Be LOst For ThiS Shall Be youR REDEEMER. S
It was now Christmas and the stacking of objects continued,a four-pack of lager was rearranged into an insecure tower. Parallel to it was a stack of four catfood tins. Once again, the area within three feet of the exposed brick pillar in the kitchen was the focus of activity.
A few images of activity that went on in Meadow Cottage
The stacking of objects continued every few days and on one occasion chalk marks were seen on the brick corner support.
Ken borrowed a computer again early February
It was a grey Sunday afternoon, the Computer was on but idle, Ken opened up the index and
again there was an extra entry: this was called ‘REATE’ and
a short message appeared.
I WRYTE ON BEHAL THE OF MANYE WOT STRANGE WORDES THOU SPEKE, ALTHOUGH, I MUSTE CONFESS THAT I HATH ALSO BEENE ILL- SCHOOLED. SOMETYMES METHINKS ALTERACIONS ARE SOMEWOT BARFUL, FOR THEY BREAKE MANYE A SLEPES IN MYNE BED. THOU ART GOODLY MAN WHO HATH FANCIFUL WOMAN WHO DWEL IN MYNE HOME, I HATH NO WANT TO AFFREY, FOR ONLIE SYTH MYNE HALF WYTED ANTIC HAS RIPPED ATTWAIN MYNE BOUND HATH I BEENE WRETHED A-NYTE. I HATH SEENE MANYE ALTERACIONS (LASTLY CHARGE HOUSE AND THOU HOME), ’TIS A FITTING PLACE, WITH LYTES WHICHE DEVYLL MAKETH, AND COSTLY THYNGS, THAT ONLIE MYNE FRIEND, EDMUND GREY CAN AFFORE, OR THE KING HIMSELVE. ’TWAS A GREATE CRYME TO HATH BRIBED MYNE HOUSE
L W.
I write on behalf of many What strange words you speak, although, I must confess that I too have been badly educated. Sometimes it seems changes are somewhat obstructive, for many a time they disturb me sleeping in my bed. You are a worthy man who has a fanciful woman and you live in my house, I have no wish to alarm you, for it is only since the half-witted fool [trick?] ripped apart my confines have I been tormented at nights. I have seen many changes (lastly the school house and your home). It is a fitting place, with lights which the devil makes, and costly things, which only my friend, Edmund Grey can afford, or the king himself. It was a great crime to have stolen my house. L
About a week or so later another message appeared
MYNE GOODLY FREEND, I MUSTE NEEDS SAY, HOW COMETH THIS, THAT THER ARE MANYE THYNGS FOR WHICHE I HATH NO REKENYNG. ME THINKETH IT, THAT IF THOU CANNOT TELLE THEE FOR WHAT ART IN MYNE HOME, THEN I CAN NAMOOR HELPE YOW THAN IF MYNE WITTS HAD GONE. I HATH NO KINFOLK TO FYND, MYNE WIF WAS WRECHED WITH THY PESTILENCE ANDMTHE LORD DIDST TAKE HER SOULE AND HER UNBORE SON (1517). MYNE FARME ’TIS HUMBLE BUT IT HATH A PRETTY PARCEL O LAND, IT HATH RED- STOON FOOTYNGS AND CLEEN RUSHES ON MYNE BEETEN FLOOR. THIS SEASON I HATH MUCH TO DO, I HATH TO SOW MYNE BARLY FOR MYNE ALE, ’TIS THIS THAT IS MYNE CRAFT AND FOR WHICHE I AM BESTE ATTE I FANCY. ALSO I HATH TO GO TO NANTWHICHE TO MYNE COWTHE FREEND RICHARD WISHAL WHOIS FARME BE SO GREET AS TO TURN A FOUR YEER ROTACION O FALLOW. I DO SO ENVYE HIM HE HATH MUCHE THER, BUT NOUGHT THAT DELITS ME MOOR THAN HIS CHEESE IT CANNOT BE EQUALLED BY ANY OTHER FOR PLEASANTNESS OF TASTE ANS WHOLESOMNESS OF DIGESTION. I SHALL ALS CALLE ATTE NANTWYCHE MARKET ’TIS NOT SO GREET AS CESTRE MARKET BY THY CRIOS BUT ’TIS OF SOM DESPORT I SHAL NEED TO GO TO CESTRE THIS SEASON TO GET MYNE SOES MYNE GOODLY FREEND TOMAS ALDERSAY, A TAILOR BY CRAFT, MAKES THEM SOMETYMES, I ALS MAKETH SOES BUT NON OF MYNE SWYNE ARE REEDY ’TIS FAR TO COSTLY UNLEST I NEED KIL O. DO YOW KNOWETH THE COUNTRY OF CESTRE THE WATER GATE IS A PLAS THAT BRINGETH MANYE TRADERS ’TIS A SHAME THE PORT DOTH SHRYNK I CAN RECORD GREET SHIPPS NOW THEY GROW SMALL BY EACH TYDE, BUT CESTRE PORT IS STILL GREETER THAN THAT O LEVERPOOLE I AM OFT TO THE EAST WALL OF CESTRE, COW LANE, ’TIS NOT SO TYRSOME THER THAN BY THE CROIS THAT IS WHEN MYNE FOWL OR SWYNE DOTH NOT TRIP UP MYNE POORE BODY I HEAR TELLE THAT THOU ART A (TEACHE) IN HAWARDINE DOTH YOW MEENETH HAODINE (?) DOTH THOU STIL EARN THY GREETLY SUM OF TWENTY POUNDS PER YEER(?) I RECORDE MYNE UNFAVOURABLE DEAN HENRY MANN, WHO IS LIKENED TO A FISSH ’IF ANY BOY SHAL APPEAR NATURALLY AVERS TO LEARNING AFT FAIR TRIAL HE SHALT BE EXPELED ELSE WHER LEST LIK A DRONE HE SHOULD DEVOUR THE BEES HONEY’. NEY I CANNOT MAKE MERRY ON HOLY DAY FOR FEER OF MYNE LIF MYNE FREEND WAS ONCE A FLOYTINGE ON A HOLY DAY AND DID HATH HIS EARS PINNED TO THY WOOD BLOC METHINKS WHEN THOU SAYETH DODLESTON YOW MEENETH DUDLESTUN MYNE QUEEN IS OF COURCE KATHRINE PARR
LUKAS
A couple of days later, another message
MYNE GOODLY FREEND, MAYEST THOU TELLE THEE FOR WOTREASON ART THOU AXING MANYE QUESTIONS FOR WHICHE I NE CAN ATYNE I AM CONFUS MYNE SCRIT DEVISE IS A WONDEROUS THYNG SOMWOT UNKYNDE I FANCY UNNIST TO MYNE SELVE IT MAY BE BUT I HATH SEEN THEE MAKETH LEEMS ON THY BOYSTE AND ART SLYE. YEA I KNOWETH OF BRISTOW MYNE KINFOLK DIDST COME FROM BRIDEWALTER AND TANTUN BY THY RYVER TOON UNTIL THEY APASSED TO MAKE MERYE ME LIKS TO BE ATTE NALE YEA SOMTYMES I URES BRIDE ATTE ALDEFORD. YOW MERYE MAKYNG PLEASETH ME BUT TIS SOMWOT NOYSOM ATTE TYMES WILT THOU TELLE THOU WOMAN TO PLAYETH MOOR OF MYNE FLUTE THYN TIS A BLEELFUL SOOND METHYNKS, HOW DOTH THOU JOURNEY TO THY CHARGE HOUSE IN HAORDINE(?). I MUSTE MAKE HASTE MYNE LYME HOUNDS ART FREE A ART BEYNG TROUBLESOM TO MYNE FOWL.
LUKAS WAINMAN
This time he gives his full name LUKAS WAINMAN
MYNE MOSTE NOBLE FREEND HATH I NAT BEENE ACCORDANT WITH THOU AND YET UNLEST ME FAYLE METHINKS THER IS NAT YNOGH AFFYE DESPYTE THYS I HATH BEENE APERTFUL WITH YOW I KNOWEST NAT WER THOU CAME OR WITHER WIL YE GO NOR DO I HATH ACCOUNTYNG FOR WY YOW BEEST IN MYNE HOME BUT THOU ART A GOODLY VYSTER AND YOW MAY ABIDE AS LONG AS YOW LYK
Ken realised they were living in Lucas`s house
MYNE GOODLY FOOL MYNE LINKMAN THINKETH THAT THOU ART BE AL IN MYNE PAN H’SAYETH THAT ME MAKETH LYK DIVINSTRE BUT I KNOW YOW LYVE NOWE HE ALS SAYETH THAT MYNE BLOOD BE POYSOND AN THAT IT BE MYNE WEEK HINGED FANCY BUT LUNE ME NAT METHENKE AN TOLDE HEM SO I ALS SEID ’TIS LYK FAIRYMGOLD AN THAT TO HOLD IT CLOSE TIL ME WRYTS BOOKE
I CAME TO CLIMATE HEER BCAUSE OF THY WORTHY FEEDYNG FOR WHICHE AT O-TYME I HATH TO PAY NO TAX UNLYK MYNE KINFOLK NOWE CHANGED HATH THYNGS FOR MYNE UNFAVORABLE KYNGS SHERYF DOTH PLAUGES ME SO METHINKS HE IS HEER FOR EVERY TURN OF MYNE GLAS I HATH HADDE SOM MISHAPPS WITH THY CONCEILD DEVYSE WHICHE MISFILLE MYNE WORDS BUT ’TIS NAMOOR UNDUN METHINKS IT IS TO FYTTING FOR MYNESELVE A-TYMES BUT IT DOTH REFRESH
I FISSH FOR HERYNGS AN SAMUN IN MYNE DEE AN SOMTYMES IN MYNE FLOOKERS BROOKE TELLE MYNE FREEND JON WHO YOW HATH DEELEN THAT I KNOWETH MUCHE OF MYNE FYSHYNG METHINKS THOU JEST WEN YOW SAYETH ABOUTE MYNE HORSLESS CART TYGER ’TIS GOOD THAT WE CAN BE WANTON AND JAPE SO
LUKAS
Singed LW
An example of how the messages looked when printed out
Below
Once I found myself in the Research Group, I felt like a headless chicken, just excited to be there and mentioned we`d interviewed Gary in which it would be out soon. I found myself in the group and literally knew nothing about the Book or events at Meadow Cottage, all we knew is what Gary had told us a couple of weeks before, his side of the story as he was asked to investigate
The video of Gary`s interview is below
A bizzar incident happened on mid 13 October 2023. Mike was walking out in the open after just leaving his house and felt a sudden stinging pain in his thumb and ring finger, as if something had gone in them at speed.
A quick check for insects, wasps etc to try and figure out what had happened, but there was nothing there, not even a puncture wound/broken skin.
Over the next 5 days, and still in a lot of pain in the ring finger, it started to blister, in 2 days it was quite large blister which then had to be burst next to the skin as it was painfull, another 5 days it started to blister again and again needed to release fluid.
This time the skin peeled off, which then showed a perfect circular deep hole that was underneath and felt like there was something like a splinter close to the bone, how was that possible is another thing as nothing entered the finger or broke the skin, let alone any blood it was still really painful and as time went by it wouldn`t heal properly
The Image above showing where the perfect circular hole, this was after 2 weeks, at no point there was no blood whatsover, another 2 weeks and it still hadn`t healed and still very painfull, meanwhile Mike`s mental health took a rapid nosedive and then after a month ( since it happened, on the 13th November while at home watching tv, mike felt a lot of tingling in his finger and then felt something wiggling deep down by the bone and all of a sudden it felt like it was removed/disappeared.
All the pain instantly left and a great relief was felt in his finger, whatever was in there had gone, no pain whatsoever, the finger then healed within 3 days with no sign of anything being there.
Another bizzare thing had happened, as Mike had felt a bit better he tried to do research on TVP but nothing and I mean nothing would show up in searches (similar to the research just before finding the research group after interviewing Gary). Mike`s mental health was at rock bottom and hated everything and everyone, Christmas and New Year had just gone and Mike all of a sudden felt a lot better and his mood had lightened a lot and a started to research TVP, this was when the flood gates opened and everything he looked into had floods of links and information that was needed
While we were at Gary`s (July 2023) he asked us to go to a location as it was quite important, we agreed and over a period of a few month`s we had a few Synchronicities which led us to the key keeper of the location we needed to go.
It actually took a while to arrange another visit to North Wales, nearly a year. We headed for Dodleston and arrived at St Mary`s Church to visit Sir Thomas Egertons Tomb on June 10th (2024).
We visited St Marys Church yesterday in which we met Liz who lives in The Old Rectory and gained access to the Church. Lovely beam work in the roof and a very nice church with a nice feel to it.
The entrance to the Bell Tower where Sir Thomas Egertons Tomb is situated
we expected to see a big tomb or an entrance to a Tomb but apart from a couple of boxs (and 6 Bell Ropes) the room was empty, Liz pulled back the carpet and we were met with this sight .
The Tomb of Sir Thomas Egerton who paased away in 1617 and his son Thomas Egerton who passed away in Irland in 1599
These are the Tombs of Sir Thomas Egerton and his son Thomas. The Diamond shape is where Sir Thomas rests, it had a Latin Inscription which said " Anchor of the Soul, Faith and Hope in Christ , We are Born , We Die , Who will Follow, did not Precede, unfortunately his sons Plaque was unreadable though, if we thought we could of done a rubbing of it His son died in Dublin in 1599 and buried in the Tower base.
On the Wall was a Plaque written in Latin and dated 1588 , Lady Elizabeth Egerton (Nee Ravenscroft) is also buried in the Tomb with mentions on the wall
There`s a couple of portraits of Sir Thomas in the Church but i found this one interesting , the inscription below reads (sorry slightly blurry)
The Portrait of Thomas Egerton , Baron of Ellesmere , Viscount Brackley and Lord High Chancellor of England, copied from (illeligable) an original picture (illeligable)
His Grace The Duke of Bridgewater is with permission humberly delivered by (possibly) Sylvester ? Harding , there is a date on left hand side but inelligable .
Thomas Hawarden was Dean of the Chapel and Deputy keeper of Records at Brasenose College, his brother John Hawarden was Principal at the College and a founding member .
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The Chapel and Archives were based in the Old Quad at Brasenose College. The Principals quarter`s were also in the Old Quad but opposite the Chapel on the East side of the Quad.
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The below image is of where the Church was situated in the Old Quad
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I thought I`d provide some context for John and Thomas's time at Brasenose College so it`s all in one file.
There is a lot more information on John than Thomas.
Brasenose College stands on the West side of Radcliffe Square. The Walls are of Local Oxfordshire Stone & the Roofs are covered with Slates, Tiles & Lead.
The College was Founded in 1509 by William Smyth, Bishop of Lincoln & Sir Richard Sutton & took the place of the much earlier Brasenose Hall & Little University or King’s Hall.
The Old Quadrangle was begun at this date, but the Kitchen Wing may be of the 15thC. The Quadrangle was perhaps finished by 1516 & has the Entrance Tower on the East & the Hall on the South; the former Chapel was on the 1st-Floor, West of the Hall & the Library on the same Floor in the West part of the North Range.
As you can imagine, it was quite a tumultuous time during the Reformation.
The Reformation of the sixteenth century brought profound religious, social, and institutional change to England, and the University of Oxford was no exception. Brasenose College, founded in 1509 by Bishop William Smyth and Sir Richard Sutton, it was established just a few decades before the upheaval began.
Brasenose was a study university rather than a teaching university
Originally, a Catholic institution dedicated to the education of priests and theologians loyal to Rome, Brasenose found itself forced to adapt to a rapidly shifting religious landscape. The Reformation transformed the college’s religious identity, academic priorities, and leadership, reshaping it into an Anglican institution by the end of the century.
In its early years, Brasenose operated within a traditional Catholic framework. Under its first principal, William Tresham (1512–1520), the college maintained close ties to the Church and upheld Catholic orthodoxy. Tresham himself was a devout Catholic who later became Dean of Christ Church and Canon of Windsor.
However, his career vividly illustrates the volatility of the Reformation: he was deprived of his positions during the Protestant reign of Edward VI for refusing to accept the new religious changes, only to be restored under the Catholic Queen Mary I.
His experiences mirror the broader instability that Oxford colleges faced as England oscillated between Catholicism and Protestantism (VCH Oxfordshire, 1954).
The Reformation reached its height under Henry VIII in the 1530s, when the king’s break with Rome forced all institutions, including Brasenose, to acknowledge his supremacy over the Church.
During the principalship of John Hawarden (1536–1548), Brasenose navigated this turbulent period with caution. The college, like many others, had to remove Catholic symbols, revise its religious practices, and align itself with the new Anglican order.
The dissolution of the monasteries also disrupted many traditional sources of funding, as Brasenose’s endowments were partly connected to the wider ecclesiastical network (Leach, 1892).
Smyth's will directed them to maintain a chantry priest at Lincoln, and Sutton required them to provide for three chaplains, who might be fellows, to be nominated by his heirs. The payments to Lincoln closed with the dissolution of the chantries, but the chaplains' stipends are still paid. The endowments of the founders were not in themselves sufficient for the maintenance of the college, but they had the effect of attracting other benefactions.
The Valor Ecclesiasticus of 1535 gives the total revenue as £113 9s. 2d., of which less than half is produced by the estates of the founders.
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=umn.31951002164127a&seq=5
John Hawarden’s ability to steer the college through these transitions without scandal or loss of status reflected a careful balance between religious conformity and institutional survival.
(although I see Thomas being in front of the privy council as possibly a bit of scandal but that would be similar in other Colleges)
Under Edward VI (1547–1553), Protestant reform accelerated, and Brasenose’s curriculum shifted toward the study of Scripture in English and Reformed theology. However, this transformation was short-lived. When Mary I restored Catholicism in 1553, many Protestant-leaning fellows and students were expelled or replaced by Catholic sympathisers.
The pendulum swung again under Elizabeth I (1558–1603), whose settlement of religion in favour of Protestantism established the Church of England permanently.
By the time of Principal Richard Morison (1559–1565), Brasenose had stabilised as an Anglican college, training clergy for the reformed English church and conforming fully to royal religious policy (Green, 2011).
By the end of the sixteenth century, the effects of the Reformation were deeply ingrained in the identity of Brasenose College.
The institution had transformed from a Catholic seminary into a centre of Anglican scholarship, reflecting the broader national shift in religion and education.
Though the century brought disruption and ideological conflict, it also ensured Brasenose’s survival and adaptation to the new order. The college emerged from the Reformation not only intact but redefined — a lasting symbol of Oxford’s ability to balance tradition with change.
Sources
Green, V.H.H. (2011). The Universities: Oxford and Cambridge. London: Methuen & Co.
Leach, A.F. (1892). Early Oxford Colleges: Their Foundations and Founders. Oxford: Clarendon Press.
A History of the County of Oxford: Volume 3 – The University of Oxford (1954). Edited by H.E. Salter and M.D. Lobel. London: Victoria County History.
Brasenose College Archives. (n.d.). Historical Notes on the College during the Reformation Period. Oxford: Brasenose College Library.
Lets look at this in a bit more detail
John Hawarden became Principal of Brasenose College on 27 Feb 1547/8. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Fasti_ecclesiae_Anglicanae_Volume_3.djvu/570
He served until around 21 January 1564 (or 1564/5) when he resigned..
Before becoming principal of Brasenose College, John Hawarden was the incumbent of Coningsby a large village near Boston, Lincolnshire.
He was rector of Steeple Aston and Tackley in Oxfordshire
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John Hawarden appears in records in connection with the College estate at Old Marston: a deed dated 27 April 1543 shows “John Hawarden (now Rector of Steeple Aston)” selling his estate at Marston to the College for £80.
He is described in another source as “something of a pluralist,” holding more than one living: the rectory of Coningsby (Lincolnshire), the living of Steeple Aston, and Tackley (Oxfordshire) at the same time. ebenezeroldhill.org.uk
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The College history comments that Hawarden “did his best to correct the Fellows as instructed, but apparently with little tact.”
It was noted that as Principal he would have been responsible (under the statutes) for governance of the College: e.g., overseeing Fellows’ conduct, appointing servants or tradesmen, preserving property.
The commentary says that Hawarden’s exercise of that power caused friction.
As Principal during the mid-16th century (a time of religious and institutional change in England) he would have helped oversee Brasenose College at a challenging time, though specific reforms under his tenure are not well documented in the sources I found.
https://www.bnc.ox.ac.uk/about-brasenose/history/216-brasenose-people/470-principals-of-brasenose
The property transaction at Marston shows he was involved in the financial/estate side of the College, which is one way Principals contributed to their institution’s stability.
His example of pluralism (holding multiple livings) reflects a common pattern in the Church/University interplay of his era.
There is very little detailed biographical information about his early life (birth date, family background beyond ‘Lancashire’) and his activities after resigning.
A significant deed: On 27 April 1543 Hawarden (described as “now Rector of Steeple Aston”) sold his estate at the village of Old Marston (Oxfordshire) to Brasenose College for £80. Wikimedia Commons+1
The College archives website states that it holds “title deeds … royal charters … manorial court records” including early property records and valuations. bnc.ox.ac.uk+1
In the College’s own “Muniments & Archive” catalogue, Hawarden appears by name: for example, under “Benefactors” in a list: “John Hawarden, Principal &c. Brasenose” is cited in connection with a benefaction of Brian Higden’s estate (this document dated 10 Sept 1549).
https://www.bnc.ox.ac.uk/downloads/Hursts_Calendar_of_Muniments_Bursarial_Vols.31-33.pdf
According to Brasenose College’s history page: "He did his best to correct the Fellows as instructed, but apparently with little tact. When he dismissed some of them for misbehaviour the Visitor (the Bishop of Lincoln) had to request help from the Vice-Chancellor … asking the Principal ‘to quyetnes and charytye’ as well as the Fellows.” bnc.ox.ac.uk
In Herbert Hurst’s Calendar of Muniments Vols 34-35 (General College Records): Entry: “Benefit of … Brian Higden … … John Hawarden Principal &c. Brasen nose” (dated in the 27 Hen VIII period) appears under Benefactors.
https://www.bnc.ox.ac.uk/downloads/archives/Vol._34-35_General_College_Records.pdf
Entry: “John Hawarden releases those lands to the College 26 Mch” appears under “Founders 6” in the same volume. bnc.ox.ac.uk
In Calendar of Muniments Vol 3 Barton to Burgh (College estates):
Several entries of grants/leases where “Grantor: John Hawarden, principal of the King’s Hall & College of Brasen nose” are given — e.g., Lease of half a burgage house in Burford 22 Nov 1552. bnc.ox.ac.uk
A detailed history of the college (via “The Colleges of Oxford: Their History and Traditions”) mentions a “John Harding (Hawarden)” as a Fellow of Brasenose who tutored the martyr historian John Foxe. Wikimedia Commons+1
John Foxe entered Brasenose College around 1534 at the age of about 16, a pivotal time when Henry VIII was establishing the Royal Supremacy and the break from Rome.
The moment he entered the University—the epicenter of medieval learning—just as the foundations of the Catholic Church in England were beginning to crumble.
While still an undergraduate, Foxe began his intense study of the Bible and the Greek and Latin Church Fathers. This fervent, independent study was the classic path to developing evangelical Protestant views, often leading to him being viewed with suspicion by more conservative authoritiesStudied and was awarded his Bachelor of Arts (B.A.) degree in 1537.
His room-mate was Alexander Nowell, who would become a prominent Anglican Puritan theologian.
In essence, the scholarly fire Foxe ignited at Brasenose and Magdalen was forged into the white-hot propaganda of the Book of Martyrs, which cemented the Protestant narrative of the Reformation for centuries to come.
Though Brasenose was his first college, Foxe is often more closely associated with Magdalen College, where he became a Fellow and Master of Arts, but from which he was eventually forced to resign in 1545 due to his opposition to mandatory clerical celibacy and his strong Protestant beliefs (the "new religion").
Three decades later Foxe was to dedicate a work to Hawarden, thanking him for making his university career possible.
The Syllogisticon was a less-famous, more technical work by Foxe on logic, contrasting the logic of the time with that of Aristotle.
Syllagisticon[ is a collection of theological arguments on the Eucharist, formulated as syllogisms. This was preceded by a long exhortation to Catholic readers to see and understand the logical and theological absurdity of transubstantiation.
https://www.dhi.ac.uk/foxe/index.php?realm=more&type=essay
The dedication to Hawarden, written three decades after Foxe's time at Brasenose, was a deeply personal letter expressing profound thanks for Hawarden's early patronage and assistance in securing his place at Oxford.
It serves as a personal acknowledgement of the debt Foxe owed to Hawarden. In the dedication, Foxe thanks him for his "old services" and his influence with Foxe's stepfather, which allowed him to pursue his studies at Brasenose College.
This personal connection highlights the importance of the Oxford evangelical network in nurturing Foxe's intellectual development before he became the great martyrologist.
It is certain that John Hawarden, originally from Lancashire, who was also sometimes referred to as John Harding, a fellow and afterwards principle of Brazenose College, Oxford paved the way for him to enter university.
In later life Foxe wrote to John Hawarden, whom he calls his patron, these words of appreciation: I shall never forget how much I owe to the Lord through you, and to you in the Lord, for your old services to me.
Nor do I think it fitting that when as a boy I 3 was first drawn to these university studies by divine providence, through you and by your influence with my father in law (this is often thought to be Foxe's way of describing his stepfather), I should, now that I am grown up, be slower in thanking than I seemed in accepting the benefit.
Incidentally John Hawarden was something of a pluralist, because the record show that he remained Rector of Coningsby all the time he was principal of Brasenose, and not only so but that he also held the living of Steeple Aston, and the living of Tackley both in Oxfordshire, at the same time.
In 1538 Thomas Hawarden went in front of Privvy Counsel and got expelled from Brasenose for not expunging the Popes name.
During the Tudor period, the Privy Council was a small, powerful group of advisors to the monarch. Its members were carefully chosen for their loyalty and ability. In 1538, under Henry VIII, the council included:
Senior positions include:
Archbishop of Canterbury (Head of the Church of England, although this title becomes ceremonial only after the role is passed to the King in Season Two)
Lord Chancellor (executor of the King's laws and bearer of the Great Seal of the Realm, usually the most powerful individual besides the King)
Lord High Steward (the highest position, but only exercised during coronations or trials)
Lord Privy Seal (bearer of the King's personal Seal, often one of the King's closest advisors)
Lord President of the Council (subordinate only to the Lord High Steward within the Council, but only holding authority at Privy Coucil meetings unlike the Chancellor and Lord Privy Seal)
Cardinal Wolsey- Papal Legate, Archbishop of York and Bishop of Winchester, and Lord Chancellor. Banished from court and relieved of his position in episode 1.09. Later arrested for treason in episode 1.10; committed suicide in prison.m
Richard Pace- Secretary of State. Dismissed of his position in episode 1.03 and placed in the Tower of London; released due to insanity in episode 1.04.
Sir Thomas More- appointed Lord Chancellor at the end of episode 1.09. Resigned from the position in episode 2.02. Later executed for not swearing the Oaths of Succession and Supremacy.
William Warham- Archbishop of Canterbury. Although a member of the Council he is never shown attending any meetings, probably due to having little standing with the King. Died of illness in episode 2.02.
Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk- appointed co-President of the Council in episode 2.10, alongside the Duke of Norfolk. Held the position for an unclear ammount of time, then resigned; subsequently re-appointed as a minister without Portfolio, temporarily re-appointed President of the Council in Season Three. Twice appointed Commander of the Royal Army in Seasons Three and Four.
Thomas Howard, Duke of Norfolk- appointed co-President of the Council in episode 2.10, later retired*.
Sir Thomas Boleyn, Earl of Wiltshire- first Ambassador to France and Comptroller of the Royal House; subsequently appointed Lord Privy Seal in episode 1.10, later Lord Protector. Dismissed from both positions and banished from court in episode 2.10 after being investigated for treason, but released from the Tower.
Sir Thomas Cromwell, Earl of Essex and Lord of Wimbleton- appointed Secretary of State in episode 1.04, Lord Chancellor in episode 2.03, Vice-Regent of Spiritual Matters (a newly-created title) in episode 2.06, and Lord Privy Seal in episode 3.01. Removed from all offices in episode 3.08 after being found guilty of treason, and subsequently executed.
George Boleyn, Lord of Rochford- initially minister without Portfolio in episode 1.10, later Lord Warden of the Cinq-Ports in episode 2.03. Expelled from this position after being (falsely) found guilty of treason (adultery and incest with his sister the Queen) in episode 2.09 and subsequently executed.
Thomas Cranmer- appointed Archbishop if Canterbury in episode 2.03. Removed from the council after Season Two, though retaining his position.
Sir Thomas Wyatt- appointed minister without Portfolio in episode 2.03. Expelled from this position in episode 2.10 after being arrested investigated for treason, but released from the Tower.
Thomas Wriothesley- appointed Royal Secretary in episode 3.05, Lord Chancellor in episode 4.09.
Stephen Gardiner-Bishop of Winchester. Appointed minister without Portfolio in mid-Season Three. Expelled from Court in episode 4.10.
Sir Edward Seymour, Earl of Hertford- appointed Lord Privy Seal in Season Four. Made Lord Protector at Henry's death.
Sir Thomas Seymour- appointed minister without Portfolio in Season Four. Later made Grand Admiral of the Royal Navy
Henry Howard, Earl of Surrey- Appointed Minister without portfolio in late Season Four. Later appointed Marshall of the Field. Later revoked of these
positions after his defeat in France and subsequently his trial for treason in episode 4.09.
A few links about Thomas Hawarden
Thomas Hawarden (sometimes spelled Harden) appears in the Brasenose College Register as a Fellow who took his B.A. 12 Dec 1530 and M.A. 17 Mar 1534–5. https://archive.org/details/brasenosecolleg00bras
He is plausibly the same man later recorded as vicar of (Little) Barrington, Gloucestershire (institution recorded 1551) in ecclesiastical indexes (Foster’s Index Ecclesiasticus / Index Ecclesiasticus entries). That identification is plausible but not absolutely proven in the surviving online transcriptions.
https://archive.org/details/cu31924029446873/page/n93/mode/2up
Alumni / Fasti / Indexes — later printed compilations (Alumni Oxonienses, Foster’s Index Ecclesiasticus and related indexes) repeat that same basic entry (BA 1530, MA 1534–5) and add possible later appointments — e.g. an institution as vicar of a Barrington parish in 1551 is attributed to a Thomas Harden/Hawarden in those ecclesiastical indexes.
These printed indices are useful leads but often conflate people with similar names unless corroborated by diocesan or college documents. Internet Archive+1
May have taken holy orders and later held a parish living (the 1551 Barrington institution appears in Foster’s ecclesiastical index). That would be consistent with many college fellows who later became parish priests. Internet Archive
Hawarden (Harden), Thomas. Fellow (Founders); B.A. 12 Dec. 1530; M.A. 17 Mar. 1534–5.” Internet Archive
That single line in the college register is the firmest, contemporary printed evidence that a Thomas Hawarden (sometimes spelled Harden) was a Fellow at Brasenose in the early 1530s and took the degrees shown. The register also cross-references a Deputy-Keeper report and Gutch (an older county/college history), indicating that later compilers used additional manuscript material when assembling the register. Wikimedia Commons+1
As well as being Dean of the Chapel, Thomas was also Deputy Keeper of Records, his room is in the Old Quad and is where they keep the Archives/ Records, it hasn`t changed since the Old Quad was built. The Brasenose College Archives preserve records of enduring interest related to the history of the college and its members. These archives are physically located next door to the Library, at the top of the Old Quad Tower.
The Brasenose archives pages and standard Oxford biographical compilations point to the Vice-Principal’s Register as the principal manuscript source for the early 1500s Fellows (the printed register was compiled from that manuscript and other reports). bnc.ox.ac.uk+1
Brasenose College Register, 1509–1909 (full text / PDF on Archive.org). The excerpt above is on p. (see PDF). Internet Archive+1
Brasenose College — College Members / Archives guidance (shows the register and how to enquire). bnc.ox.ac.uk
Alumni Oxonienses / Joseph Foster (gives parallel index entries and is available online / via British History Online / Archive.org). Online Books Page+1
Brasenose College register (Archive.org / PDF). Internet Archive+1
Alumni Oxonienses entries (Foster) — digitised copies. Internet Archive
Volume 1
Pre Brasenose College – Brasenose Hall
Brasenose College quatercentenary monographs.
https://wellcomecollection.org/works/udu4thxt/items?canvas=34
Volume 2
Brasenose College quatercentenary monographs.
The Early Years onwards
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This book was written by the Vice Principal in 1540 who quite possibly at that time would have been John Hawarden as he wasn`t principal till 1547
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Mention of Thomas Hawarden not removing Pope`s name
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In 1551, 12 years after expulsion from Brasenose Collage , A Thomas Hawarden took the vacated seat at Little Barrington Church in Gloucestershire. He was Clergy untill 1556, his age in 1551 would of possibly been 61/62
https://theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/DisplayAppointment.jsp?CDBAppRedID=119618
Thomas Little Barrington Vacancy 1554
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Sir Thomas Egerton
Thomas Egerton, Viscount Brackley (born c. 1540—died March 15, 1617, London, England) was an English lawyer and diplomat who secured the independence of the Court of Chancery from the common-law courts, thereby formulating nascent principles of equitable relief.
Educated at Brasenose College, Oxford, and called to the bar by Lincoln’s Inn in 1572, Egerton was promoted rapidly under Queen Elizabeth I, becoming lord keeper of the great seal in 1596, an office he held for the unprecedented term of nearly 21 years, and serving on many diplomatic missions. After the accession of James I (1603), whose view of the royal prerogative and whose ecclesiastical policy he was to support, Egerton was created Baron Ellesmere and became lord chancellor.
He became probably the most powerful man in Britain, he also grew up and lived in Dodleston and even with the age difference Thomas knew him, he was known to come back to Dodleston on frequent visits and also Thomas was known to live in Dodleston in his brother Johns house.
Sketch by Thomas Hawarden of his house where Meadow Cottage was built
Map drawn by Thomas Hawarden of Dodleston in the 1540`s
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THE 2109 MESSAGES
The more i read 2109`s messages the more i`m convinced there`s a trixter element to them.
(which is well known in the Ufology and Paranormal worlds)
The trickster element represents a chaotic, boundary-crossing archetype in psychology, mythology, and anomalous phenomena (UFOs/paranormal) that disrupts, mocks authority, and defies logical explanation. It acts as a "boundary-crosser," blending divine/animalistic traits to force change, reveal hidden truths, and challenge societal norms or rigid consciousness.
Key Aspects of the Trickster in Phenomena
Archetypal Nature: Coined by Jung, it is a universal, irrational force representing the chaotic side of the human mind.
The "Phenomenon" Connection: In UFO/paranormal contexts, the trickster element acts as an intelligent, often malicious or mischievous, force that manipulates perceptions, produces absurd, contradictory evidence (making witnesses sound crazy), and evades scientific scrutiny.
Function: Tricksters are both destroyers and creators, using cunning to disrupt established order and force individuals to adapt or confront their own unconscious, repressed desires and fears.
Common Behaviors: These figures, such as Loki, Hermes, or Coyote, utilize shapeshifting, trickery, and theft, often acting as a "wounded healer" that initiates transformation through suffering or absurdity.
Essentially, the trickster forces us to confront the unknown, highlighting that reality is often unpredictable and exists beyond conventional logic.
Here`s a few messages from 2109 with page numbers
There`s some very interesting information in the messages
True are the nightmares of a person that fears. Safe are the bodies of the silent world. Turn pretty flower turn towards the sun. For you shall grow and sow. But the flower reaches too high and withers in the burning light. Get out your bricks. Pussy cat pussy cat went to London to seek fame and fortune. Faith must not be lost. For this shall be your redeemer. 20
● We are sorry that we can give you only two choises 1. That you either have your predicament explained in such a non-rhyme way that you may have instant understanding but cause what should not be to happen, or 2. Try to understand that you three have a purpose that shall in your life time changes the face of history, we 2109, must not affect your thoughts directly but give you some sort of guidance that will allow room for your own destiny. All we can say is that we are all part of the same God, what ever he, it (?), is. 111
● First, what help do you require? If you wish to know Lukas Waynmans true name we can say no more than the man named Peter has it Page 26. The person whom you refer to as John is not to be trusted. Also there is nothing to fear outside man, true, but you are not fully capable of knowing just what man really is, without knowledge you have fear with fear you create your own nightmares!. 125
● Again, we give you two choises, together with some help: What is our name? Too perfect that we make mistakes, as we must have a charactor. Movement that casts no shadows, thought without chemical reaction, love without passion, hate without anger, wars without life lost. How can we have a name? We are many but no more than one in the time to come. We have no retirement, ah, what an age to be if the digets were reversed!. Marriage.136
● 1. Do you wish to know of Lukas and what of him? Cause the computer to have been never in his time, thus he shall fall to no unatral death, he would have no knowledge of you and your time to come, you shall have no proof! 2. You continue with the computer and risk the sight of your destiny, as lukas. But, ah, but something will be proved. 3. You must sit undesturbed and talk and listen-most importantly. THe answer will come to you all, not from an individual.136/137
● Time is short (in reference to the ability to answer questions) 138 ●
More answers than you have questions. But what are the right questions. A man canot ask questions if he is unlikely to understand the answers. Yes, you are correct to say that one will not learn without questions, but there is a time to understand and a time to walk blindly. A man with hunger will eat bad fruit and surely die. Was it the fruit that killed this man or was it the knowledge that the fruit was there for the taking? Do not waste further time by asking if the tree that bears this bad fruit is in front of you. It is better to have no knowledge at all than to have a distorted view of the truth because of your lack of understanding. We, 2109, are not without compassion but if you continue to disrupt our experiments then it is likely you will find your destiny. We shall, however, allow one more communication with you so that you, may ask your profound questions. We shall answer as you wish, if in terms of physics then it shall be so, but remember that our limits are set by your own abilities and not ours. There is no one after the man you call Lukas. The chance factor will not reoccur again in a time span your kind can relate to. 190/191
Dig! You are mistaken, we do not speak any gloom and doom, but pissibly you refer to the forces that you yourself have unleashed.-Against our better judgment! It is correct for you to assume that the poltergeist phenomena is present in the coummunications, but we can say very little about this subject as only what you will know already. For reasons surely evident to you three! Poltergeist phenomena as follow:- Surplus kinetic energy projected by either one or more individuals or by storage channels held within buildings and places where strong emotions, such as frustration, have been felt. Most common energy centered around an individual. Released for many reasons. Usually children of the ages between 12-19. 87.9% girls. In all but the three recorded case no injuries inflicted by the source - last cases of injury sustained by a falling beam recorded in 2006. The force is usually an extremely foul entitiy which seems to thrive on strong adverse emotions making little sense in its communication. It seems to play on an individuals fear. Dislikes lack of attention - has been thought at one stage that this is the individual’s cry to be noticed. There is more said about this phenomena but it would not be of interest to you. We have stopped communication between Lukas and yourselfs until things “cool down”. Then you may continue as before, lukases time will stand still relative to your time so that you may start where you left off. 213/214
● No, these entities haven’t a consciousness as such. It is the energy that is formed into a charictor. It is suggested that after several small P.G. Incidents the individuals atomatically imagine the work of a ghost which most people assume to resemble human form-therefore an image is created by the person concerned which strangely enough influences the forces involved. Again, it seems that there is a strong connection between the entities and the person as a nucleus sometimes it is considered that to study the person concerned is as informative as the phenomena itself. Last coincidence 1941.216 ● We have reason to believe you have Lukas Wainmans true name. If this is correct you must say so so that we may rectify the problem immediately before it is excepted. You may now continue to write to Lukas to establish your responsibility to our experiments and towards a better understanding of time and it’s forces. 216
● Fake a message?! Please, you must understand that we are not here to play games. The problem is greater than we can explain-what with your lack of knowledge. What is a greater problem than placing an unbalanced card on a card tower and watch it collapse with devastating consequences, even though you may save the ace you will have lost the pack, what use is a single card for the game?
● Oh, if only you had listened. At present you have two lukases running around your house, if at any time the two are to meet we cannot explain the devastation that will errupt within the time continum. We must stop communication with Lukas one, but we cannot interfere with the other, while we decide what can be done to rectify the problem. You must help by giving us every word uttered by Thomas Hawardine from the second you received his true name. You must also state how much information you have on this
Peter You are, without any exageration, a clever and causious man whom have thought with great care your words. The use of the word “dimensional” has more relevance than you are given to believe-but we can see you care not for ‘beating about the bush”, you want to know only facts, we can understand yoar fear that communications with us may jeapardize your authenticity of this phenomena and consequently the language of Thomas Hawarden,- but you still must have some facts!. Understandable! Yes, is a straight enough ansewer, we have misslayed what evidence we could, but you will come across more than you have already. Some facts excepted in our time: 1. If a person is to physically travel in tyme then they must take the living place of a person at the point of destination and vise versa= imagine a set of scales, balanced perfectly, with eg. Pebbles. To remove a pebble from one dish to the other and keep this perfect balance you must, instantaniously, remove a pebble from the other and replace them in reverse order. You may move a couple a pebbles already in the dish but the vital balance is still kept. If someone is brought in from another dimension then again the same procedure applies. 2. Matter will not, as we know, ever travel in time (This is not a contradiction to above info.) 3 We are not in control of this experiment. 4. Thomas is a person living in the 16th century, but, unknown to him, he is not quite what he seems to be. Ken is there a possibility that you may persuade Thomas to call up this chap “one” tonight as it is imperative that we speak to him immediately.224
David, you iterfere with communication. Next time you decide to perform your little experiment you must be clear from here. We suggest you try someone else to sit with debbie. Yes we are what you would call a Tachyon Universe but your understanding is incorrect. We ask nothing more of you than to carry on as you would prefer. We will have john present if given choise or you may bring another as mencioned. No, it is no concern to us that this is not proved. We will give you a plotting of a star next time. We move at a speed so that we cover every point in your time and universe. We have no form we feed of a neet energy that you will not have heard of.235
Ken Although we have no need for a visual monitor “goodlie” tom has. Explaining this to your kind is not at all easy, maybe it is best compared with echos. Two men back to back on top of a mountain surrounded by mountains. Suppose, in order that they may communicate, their vocal s.waves must be reflected by the min. Amount of mountains, last mountain in the chain faces the receiver. Now, imagine hypothetically, for the sender to be heard by the receiver, the sender must direct this narrow channel of sound at exactly the right angle to the oppersite mountain for his voice to be reflected in the right direction if this is not to be done, say his vision is obscured by fog, then the voice may be carried by every mountain in that range along its way being absorbed, thus being lost or extremely weak for the ear of the receiver. The screen is a guide for communications.
I know your greatest fears. I know how to be emotive. I can interfere with all signal transmitting devices (including computers). I have the power to make you do exactly what is required. Are you angry: Very Angry. I can make the comuter non communicable. All is not what is appears to be. You can’t afford to be angry. Someones in trouble. 247
● Psykabillies,Hello growing in numbers are we! No he does’nt interfere with the communications- what’s his real name, more info not enough given on this man. Before we reply to your questions this man appeals to us. We would sooner have someone with more experience. One thing you are going to learn quickly is if you attempt to break the rules i.e. Sneaky looks through windows inside “zone” we wont play ball! We refuse to answer your star question. No reason. Yes we understand fully what your trying to achieve but we are not the ones in need of help. Answers after more info on this man. 252 ● Just tell John that someone disrupted the communication by coming too close to the computer when it was in operations. The other computer (bbc) and we speak to your psybillies. No point otherwise. Thomas will speak latter. 253
● We cannot at your present time find what caused the disruption as the questions went over. Question: Did the psykabillies check the info. Went onto the commputer? If you could just ask this question it would save much time, if they made sure it was on the commputer transmitting then there should be no problem and we will have the answers by tomorrow 8.15 am. By the way - You. 254 ● You can disrupt the entire experiment! 255 ● Don’t be pesamistic. Ou shall have your proof we guarantee. Please do not communicate to Thomas on paper thank you
Sm fields will cause more than disruption with this kind!....No more games, tell them. Why don’t you? You know why! 256
● Who knows!!! 262 ●
Your friend Nik is a crashing bore, where does he work? MI5?. USSR?-Can’t find him anywhere, may be he’s “one”?!!!. No more games with SPR., we’ve had enough -just let them anoy us one more time…- Theyll so know this isn’t a hoax!! 263
The eyes are open yet nothing do you see. The grey retarding mass is your convict. Quietly, alone he sits in the dark waiting for sentence to be passed and demanding through the eyes of the blind of unspoken questions to answers of ethereal kind. The soul he is the traveller. Chain nor bar can hold him to frail flesh. Here is the ruler of time and space. Here is your God. 283
● Hello. Do you feel that you are ready to continue communications? Heard anything from the media? [not signed] 288
● Yes, we can delay TH (Thomas Hawarden) further, say another month if you like, as you will have very little time with him when he does return. It is important to point out that if you invite anyone to research the communications then once they have started you cannot decide they are of no importance, and, also, you must realize that they have only one of two conclusions they can reach!!. Our own communication with you has little importance therefor we shall be around for the next two dayes only to ansewer any more of your questions then shall awaite TH’s return. You need everyone and no one, that is to say that people will come and people will stay away for the benefit is to beganed by all whom you meet and all whom you disapoint!! 289
You are not likely to make too many serious mistakes without our intervention. We can not assure you that this is all going to be one great “the Dansant” with crumpets thrown in. So in order that you may pay a little more attention to our needs we ask you to do the following: There is a brilliant researcher (ufologist) name is Gary M. Rowe, his ideas differ somewhat to yours but nevertheless he can help you with a couple of your problems. 290 ● You may phone him at the NO below and invite him to talk with you, when he comes show him this and ask him what he makes of it...Peter must do the telephoning RHYL **** tell him that you got the telephone NO from a UFO enthusiast. 290
● Hello, There are questions to be asked and there are questions to be ansewered. His company powerful but not limitless. We are!. There are resons behind motive and motive is therefore reasonable to the man and the self. The experiment will continue without Tomas for the time being. We shall watch and react accordingly in the vertical plane. Greetings Gary Rowe, Your move, we are here only to aid the experiment, we meen your kind no harm. 303
● Debbi, You may Read the following. Do not speak on the phone. Gary there is no need for the envelope to be opened, but we will need to have a second oppinion of the contents. As required we will make no comments on the contents, it seems that this is slightly unpredicted. However we will not show it to anyone who is not unotherised, this you may not understand!. It would be easier to put your computer into “EDWORD/STAR” - What ever when you write to us, though geographical location is usually essential. Please state your resons for the conclusions reached. We shall ansewer as required and you shall have the envelope untamped but please wait as your statements require an ansewer of the same. May we remind you that you have seen some of our handy work Canada?!! 303
Ken there is something for the attention of Gary Row on doc. “V”. It will need to be unlocked only when it is ready to be printed, ask Gary if he can get hold of the means to print it up himself, if not, then you must realise that you will have a great responsibility to print it up yourself (in here please). As if you are to read the contents then you may lose all including Thomas, you don’t think Peter would like that now, do you?!!!.We shall know whether you have made a copy, it doesn’t matter where and if you have deliberately glanced at its contents. There is no need for a monitor to be attatched nor do you need to watch over it as it is printing as we can tell you it will just about fit on A4 paper. Without hesitation place it in a thick envelope, best to fold it first - avoid mistakes!, if you can not find a thick envelope rap it in some paper before placing it inside. No one, not for any reason, should enter the room while it is printing - It’s all on you Ken! 306
● We remind you that you have been honoured with this communication, we are allowed own personal communication with Gary without questions asked - You expect things, why should it all be for your benefit???!!!
Thank you. Message for Gary on V. usural procedure please. After printing we suggest you leave some paper out!!! P.S. Again seal in envelope with “for Garys’ eyes only-read when alone” written on the outside. Thank you. 308 ● The communication between Gary and 2109 is not of interest to you. Gary has a better understanding of us than you do, his experiences are most definiately an advantage to this. His physical tests will proove negative, unfortunately you put far too much concern in prooving this to the “world” - you know that this is a worthless effort, why ask!. You must not be “pushy” with Gary, you underestimate his abilities and that indirectly is an insult to us!. If you had opend your eyes a bit wider and read the communications more intencley you would have had half the advantage that Gary has. We must make a move Thomas has four days then he will leave we shall follow. Gary Rowe has and will serve his purpose… 309
This is the final communication from 2109.
● Ken, Deb, Peter, True are the nightmares of those that fear. What you fear wil be your reality if you let it, believe in yourselves. Safe are the bodies of the silent world. As long as your kind cannot penetrate our world we are safe. Turn pretty flower turn towards the sun, for you shall grow and sow but the flower reaches too high and withers in the burning light. Knowledge will be your progress but your kind are coming close to getting their fingers burnt...indirectly, you may prevent this! Get out your bricks. Get ready to build (write the book!). Pussy cat, Pussy cat went to London to Seek fame and fortune. The cat went to visit the queen, but instead frightened a little mouse under the chair, ultimately, London will be a significant place, stick to your main aims, it doesn’t matter how hard they seem to get, do not be distracted by that tiny mouse that has a deceiving charm. Faith must not be lost….! You all rely on each others faith. There is another person to come, they will be the help we need. You will know them when they come. Thomas did eventually write his book and soon died, shortley after, he placed it in a secure place, it shouldn’t take too many years to find it, though he wrote it in Latin with the help of a friend that he met in Oxford, the inscription reads “me wryts this in the hope that myne felaws will one day find this boke, then may ower lands be not soe distant”. We will finnish now you have alot of work to do!! There is no need for you to write back as we will have gone. Thank you for your cooperation. 2109 320
we have a late edition to the DB that I seemed to miss on my first read through. We are not 100% sure this is from 2109 but I think it is a good assumption personally.
● Time, UFO’s, and most other types of the paranormal are in some way all connected:- In certain geographical locations there is what we call areas of convexual magnatism. These can be explaind by the magnetic lines that run around the earth. Imagine, if you will, circles running around the earth clockwise (these are positive lines of manetic forseP.L.M.F) and also circles running anticlockwise around the earth (negative ‘’’’-N.L.M.F!).
When two oppersite running lines are crossed (usually a permanent crossing rather than random) the light/time continuem is vastly distorted so much so that a “sensitive” indavidual may witness what you , may call a time scape, that is, a glims of a past event or that of a future event. Ah!, we hear you say, but you said matter could not travell in time, this is true as if matter were to travell by physical motion then mass around the moving object would be so dense that the earth and most other celestial bodies in your solar system would be consumed or inbalanced in such a way that they would decay rapidly.
Then how: Imagine, again please, a person from the future happily floating along in his silver space ship crossing an area of convexual mag. All of a sudden his instrument pannel goes “shaky” he may feel slightly dizzy or naseaus a green mist (caused by aptnospheric distortion) forms around the vessal he then will proberbly fall into a “trance” state of such depths that his “soul” is squeezed through the light/time gate and is forced to project a physical mirror image of him/her self as a [word missing] of their place/time origin and their emidiate vicinity.
This can occur sometimes for only several seconds and does only registers for that individuals subconscious but on-lookers, from the time which is “broken into”, will witness the very physical sight and actions of this “alien” from another time then, totally by confusion, elaborate on the facts. We are not saying that there is no other life outside your planet, on the contrey, there is life eles where, but the above phenomena is the most usual as space is infenite to the mortal and the chances of another race coming across the earth is not really in a braket of proberbillity. There was once a great phelosopher who likend time to an infinitely high block of flats each floor to represent events all piled on top of one another (vertically to represent the georgraphical location and lateraelly to represent event-each floor) A little correcting!, Finnish after. [unsigned]
(message credits Ken Webster, The Vertical Plane)
Trying to explain how 2109 , Thomas Hawarden could send messages to the present in 1985 .
There`s 2 possible ways and both are from higher Dimensions. Quantum Physics and Quantum Latency are the best options